huafq
发表于 2015-5-19 20:11:01
未来会在哪里混饭吃,还真难说,技术能力单一的人,应该会随着产业的转移流动吧?
风声1923
发表于 2015-5-19 20:27:04
Collapse of steel in Pittsburgh[edit]Further information: Steel crisis
Free market pressures exposed the U.S. steel industry's own internal problems, which included a now-outdated manufacturing base that had been over-expanded in the 1950s and 1960s, hostile management and labor relationships, the inflexibility ofUnited Steelworkers regarding wage cuts and work-rule reforms, oligarchic management styles, and poor strategic planning by both unions and management. In particular, Pittsburgh faced its own challenges. Local coke and iron ore deposits were depleted, raising material costs. The large mills in the Pittsburgh region also faced competition from newer, more profitable "mini-mills" and non-union mills with lower labor costs.Beginning in the late 1970s and early 1980s, the steel industry in Pittsburgh began to implode along with the deindustrialization of the U.S. Following the 1981–1982 recession, for example, the mills laid off 153,000 workers. The steel mills began to shut down. These closures caused a ripple effect, as railroads, mines, and other factories across the region lost business and closed. The local economy suffered a depression, marked by high unemployment and underemployment, as laid-off workers took lower-paying, non-union jobs. Pittsburgh suffered as elsewhere in the Rust Belt with a declining population, and like many other U.S. cities, it also saw white flight to the suburbs.In 1984 the Homestead Works was demolished, replaced in 1999 by The Waterfront shopping mall. As a direct result of the loss of mill employment, the number of people living in Homestead dwindled. By the time of the 2000 census, the borough population was 3,569. The borough began financially recovering in 2002, with the enlarging retail tax base.Corporations[edit]Top corporate headquarters such as Gulf Oil (1985), Koppers (1987), Westinghouse (1996) and Rockwell International (1989) were bought out by larger firms, with the loss of high paying, white collar headquarters and research personnel (the "brain drain") as well as massive charitable contributions by the "home based" companies to local cultural and educational institutions. At the time of the Gulf Oil merger in 1985 it was the largest buyout in world history involving the company that was No. 7 on the Fortune 500 just six years earlier. Over 1,000 high paying white collar corporate and PhD research jobs were lost in one day.Today, there are no steel mills within the city limits of Pittsburgh, although manufacture continues at regional mills, such as the Edgar Thomson Works in nearby Braddock.
维基上写,随着钢铁产业的瓦解,匹兹堡的人口随之减少。没写人去哪了,我估计跟随产业转移了。
∑_ignorance_∏
发表于 2015-5-19 20:46:02
在武汉呆了四五年了,就感觉满城挖,武汉未来会是个什么样了?
changkongceyi
发表于 2015-5-19 20:54:36
流动生活,混迹与还不死的化工厂之间
风声1923
发表于 2015-5-19 21:04:36
八爷,匹兹堡使了不少劲来整治环境,才有今天的蓝天白云,高能耗、高污染的重工业,还能回归吗?
dhihi
发表于 2015-5-19 21:41:53
前辈,您的意思是在中国,高物价,不健全的福利,所以要一直学新东西,一直战斗到退休,存够钱了,才能保证全家的生计吗?
laowei123hao
发表于 2015-5-19 21:57:57
小哈五 发表于 2015-5-19 19:07 static/image/common/back.gif
未来去钢厂做维护,这是最现实的事情,
1先把工艺流程看懂,知道怎么走的流程
2学习轧制原理,然后学习设 ...
我刚从钢厂逃跑,你还没去报到吧?你要做的第一件事不是想着怎么学东西,而是想着如何保证自己的安全,搞设备和搞工艺的是两个独立的系统,两样都通的人极少,目前还没遇到
小哈五
发表于 2015-5-19 22:22:41
小哈五 发表于 2015-5-19 19:07 static/image/common/back.gif
未来去钢厂做维护,这是最现实的事情,
1先把工艺流程看懂,知道怎么走的流程
2学习轧制原理,然后学习设 ...
路到底在哪?路在自己手里
我记得论坛一直强调材料,这也是选择去钢厂的一个原因,认识钢如何冶炼,轧制的。
某位大虾写的东西
1 读书是见识的先决条件,你不读书,对一个陌生东西完全没有概念,看见了也不知道是什么,先读过书,对一个东西有了基本概念,再看东西,回来再精读,进步就快。7 g+ M8 o3 e9 u3 M0 {8 p' n
2 只有多读书,逢事到临头的时候,人家才可能带你玩。- t5 n4 O# _- ]- I
我们参加工作的时候,没有互联网,想把一个行业琢磨透,要到各种情报中心检索资料,翻各种卡片,做记录,这样才可以把你要学的东西弄明白,知道世界处于什么发展水平,之后,要玩什么东西了,你有这个概念,知道什么是什么,人家就带你到世界上去玩,一到世界上,你自然就知道世界有多大了,但假如你什么都不知道,人家就不会带你玩,你就一辈子玩低层次的东西,永远在低水平上循环。
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3 玩东西,甭管多大,不要怕。
80年代,90年代,中国经常买国外的二手设备,全部拆回来,重建,假如有这种机会,就是你学习的机会,不要说什么哪个是你本专业的,你什么都可以学习。假如时间够长,你可以把一个工厂完全学透,看洋人是怎么设计一个工厂的?这最长见识。, U' T- as/ Q$ m8 G) ~
4 对洋人不要怕。/ |; v# C! e) @# ^/ V
洋人和我们一样,不比我们多什么,说句糙话,都是五条腿的家伙,哈哈,即使你现在和洋人在一起做事,你待遇很低,不说明什么,只是说明其它中国人没有见识,这不是你的问题。到有一天你自己做事的时候,这些东西都会改变,你完全与洋鬼子平起平坐,洋人都不敢少给你银子,因为只有国人才有这种胆量,洋人不敢,
5 寻求大的环境,就像人家说的‘玻璃瓶里养蛤蟆,前途光明但没有任何出路’一样,你跟着一个什么见识都没有的小老板,你玩500年,也还是在宋朝,说不定都回到汉朝了。俺没有任何贬低小老板的意思,小老板有小老板的生活,有人家自己的事业,人家可以玩血汗工厂,但俺不玩。# A: o- E* ^& `7 M5 z$ F% P
6 认真做事,世界上的许多东西是相通的,你玩通一个东西,可能就玩通了许多的东西,假如你是做大型平台设计的,你玩过钢铁的平台,再玩过化工的平台,即使叫你玩火箭的发射架,你都不害怕,因为没有什么是可怕的。9 j/ y1 cP5 z# Y# r8 I& Q
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7 在多行业之间游走,认真观察,有人说,要扎根一个行业,这只能在西方,在中国没有条件,你玩钢铁的,眼见钢铁已经萧条了,你依然坚持,说明什么?说明你执著?我看不说明什么!但有一点,无论你玩什么, 要认真玩,玩到那个行业的顶尖水平,因为在中国,本行业的顶尖水平距离世界依然有巨大的差距,就拿大家最津津乐道的火箭来说,你看一下现在的运载能力,再看一下米国60年代的运载能力,在中国,你玩不到行业的顶尖水平,就没有价值,起码就没法走到世界上去,洋人也看不起你,
总之,这个循环就是:念书长见识,先念书有了一点见识,就有人带你玩,带你玩了,在过程中就长很多见识,再念书,就长一堆见识,进入下一个带你玩的循环,逐步循环,每念一次书就进入一个高级的循环。
螺旋上升过程,从另一个角度思考,钢铁平台虽然做烂了,但是他有完备体系(在我看来) 炼焦,烧结/球团,炼铁,铁水预处理,炼钢,炉外精炼,轧制。可作为一个系统的样板学习。做机械必然涉及材料也就是钢铁材料,合金钢,小弟学机械的,但对金属材料知之甚少,某位大侠说看过行业50%的书,
2个让我想起钱钟书““横扫清华图书馆”,要读尽清华藏书。”知识不是白给的,必须下苦工,狂妄有狂妄资本,
心学123
发表于 2015-5-20 11:19:57
刚看的网易新闻,还在鼓吹二重的锻压机。
上海狐飞
发表于 2015-5-20 12:31:02
二重,有能力的要被迫创业,赚的小钱还是没问题的。